Here Be Dragons! An Interview with Angie Bual about The Hatchling

The Hatchling in progress

Created by a leading design team specialising in puppetry, kites and immersive theatre, The Hatchling will be a ground-breaking outdoor theatrical performance that will unfold over a weekend of events in Plymouth. The spectacular giant dragon puppet will hatch in Plymouth City Centre, and with a wingspan of over 20 metres, will attempt to fly over the sea on Plymouth coast at the end of her journey. We caught up with Artistic Director of Trigger, Angie Bual to find out more about this amazing project.

Can you tell us about the origins of the idea and who is involved? How did this amazing project get started?

The Hatchling was created to be an unforgettable, one-off live event, free for all to attend – which now feels particularly pertinent after a year of isolation. We wanted to bring a sense of awe and wonder to Plymouth, and to involve the local community in all elements from the puppet’s design to the final performance.

The project is a celebration of cultural diversity, openness and unity, asking us to celebrate our commonalities over our differences, and it is a real opportunity to confront issues around migration and freedom of movement through the global symbol of the dragon. Whilst found in stories in every ancient culture around the world, the dragon is revered and respected in eastern mythology but often considered menacing in western folklore. The power public art has to unify us has never been more important.

The Hatchling walking. Credit – Carl Robertshaw

We’re working with 25 partners, and people at the top of their game from the fields of design, puppetry, aviation, and paleontology. This includes Mervyn Millar, part of the original creative team of the acclaimed stage production War Horse, and Carl Robertshaw, a designer who has created sets for the London 2012 Olympic Ceremonies, collaborated with artists including Ellie Goulding and Kylie, and is a 5-time sport kite world champion. The project has only been possible through this multi-disciplinary collaboration.

We were lucky to have public funding from the National Lottery through Arts Council England and support from Plymouth City Council and Mayflower 400.

Can you tell us about the design and build process for The Hatchling? How will the puppet fly?

The Hatchling is the largest ever puppet to be solely human operated, so the building process has been no mean feat. Standing at over 6.5m tall, her wings unfolded will span across a huge 20m. We worked with a paleontologist on the design to produce an anatomical dragon based on the prehistoric Pterosaur – the earliest vertebrate known to have evolved powered flight.

The Hatchling preparing for flight. Credit – Carl Robertshaw

The puppet is constructed from super lightweight carbon fibre weighing less than a piece of hand luggage, allowing it to be operated by a team of 36 puppeteers working in rotation in groups of 15. As for how exactly the puppet flies, that will be a surprise at the event – come and see!

The Hatchling in production. Credit – Holly Bobbins
The Hatchling in production. Credit – Holly Bobbins

When and where will the event be held? What can audiences expect?

The event is taking place in Plymouth city centre from the 14th to 15th August 2021.

Audiences will be able to see our beautiful dragon hatch, explore her surroundings and interact with the city – from intimate experiences to city-wide performances – before taking a world-first flight across the sea in a miraculous metamorphosis on the evening of Sunday 15 August. The sunset spectacle will feature lighting design by Mat Daw and a choral score by Ruth Chan.

This is a really exciting time for Trigger as we have also been selected as one of 10 creative teams to deliver a multi-million-pound project for Festival UK* 2022. More details to come in the next year.

Interview with Emma Windsor

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Reaching Out Hands: An Interview With Kay Yasugi

Kay Yasugi, of Digital Seagull and Pupperoos, is a Sydney based creative, puppeteer, storyteller, and teacher, and the general secretary of the puppetry organisation UNIMA Australia. We caught up with them about their work in puppetry, including the recent ABC iView campaign, as well as the challenges that the Australian puppetry community has faced in 2020 and how they have come together in the face of that.

Bird of Light by Pupperoos / Kay Yasugi

Can you please tell us a bit about yourself, and how you came to puppetry?

I have been a puppeteer and puppet maker for 18 years, with a background in teaching and illustration.

My journey into puppetry began soon after I finished high school. I helped to run a children’s summer camp with other Christian volunteers in regional New South Wales, Australia. The following year they asked me to make a mascot for them so I went to my local library to get a book on doll making – but they only had puppet books. I picked up “The Usborne Book of Puppets” by Ken Haines and made a monkey puppet (based on Ken’s pattern for a Scottish clown).

Soon after that I attended a conference where I met Australian television puppeteer Mal Heap. Mal played one of my favourite puppet characters growing up – a cat called Modigliana from the Aussie nineties show ‘The Ferals’ – and he became my first mentor.

I continued doing puppetry while studying Primary Education at the University of Sydney, and found out about the London School of Puppetry (LSP) during that time. We actually had an assignment where we had to analyse a curriculum, and I chose to write about LSP’s Diploma of Professional Puppetry. I ended up doing that very course after finishing my teaching degree, thanks to a grant from my university and the puppetry organisation UNIMA Australia (of which I am now General Secretary). I learned so much from LSP’s Director of Studies Caroline Astell-Burt, who continues to be a great mentor. I’m also happy to say that one of the tutors for LSP is none other than Ken Haines, and I was delighted to meet him a few years ago and thank him for writing his book!

Now, I run workshops and perform shows with Pupperoos, focusing on education and children’s projects. I also do puppet commissions for film, television, and theatre through Digital Seagull.

I work in a variety of styles of puppetry including shadow theatre, rod puppetry, hand/glove puppets and marionettes (string puppets).

What have been the highlights for you so far creatively? And how does your own experience and background inform the work you do?

Some creative highlights include performing in ‘The 13-Storey Treehouse’ at Sydney Opera House, based on the book by Andy Griffiths and Terry Denton, and appearing on the ABC television program Play School (‘Through the Window’ segments) for their puppetry episodes.

Kay Yasugi and Dr Emma Fisher-Owen

In 2018, I received funding from the Seaborn, Broughton, and Walford Foundation for a research and training project at the University of Washington, Bothell (USA) to explore virtual technology and its application to shadow puppetry, as part of a global puppetry project with artists and researchers from the USA and Ireland – Dr Emma Fisher-Owen (Beyond the Bark Puppet and Installation Theatre), Ivan Fisher-Owen, and Rafael Silva. This was followed by an Artist in Residency with the shadow theatre company Manual Cinema in Chicago (USA) to work on their new show Frankenstein while also learning their shadow puppetry techniques.

I also received funding to research traditional Haenyeo women divers in Jeju Island, South Korea. In 2019, I created the show ‘Haenyeo: Women of the Sea’ which premiered at Figura Offida Festival, an international puppetry street theatre festival in Offida, Italy. Performing the show with my mother Youngkyu Kwon was a real highlight. It is about women, passing down traditions, and sharing our cultural heritage. Being half Korean and half Japanese, and moving to Australia when I was 3 years old, I think it’s really important to have diverse stories and cultures represented in mainstream theatre.

Haenyeo Diver puppet by Kay Yasugi in Jeju Island Korea 2019

You’ve recently been working with ABC on a campaign for their iView platform; can you please tell us a little more about the project, and how you came to be involved?

The ABC iView campaign was released in May 2021 to promote their free video-on-demand (VOD) service, with new personalised features that make it easier to enjoy outstanding programmes from the nation’s biggest collection of Australian content.

With so many other streaming services out there, puppets were a way to make the campaign stand out with something eye-popping, fun, and memorable.

With the assistance of Katherine Hannaford, I created two puppets that could change into four different characters – all designed in-house by ABC Made. They had dropping jaws, removable wigs/noses/eyes and could even play ping pong! Operating the puppets was a unique challenge, as I had to do stills, GIFS, and film in a studio and on location (crouching behind milk crates in an alley; and lying under a park bench dressed in a fluro green screen suit!).

Filming GIFs with Arj puppet – Kay Yasugi and puppetry assistant Eleanor Roberts

How did you come up with the personalities and designs behind the four puppets, Arj, Linh, Gloria and Vinnie, for the campaign?

The puppets were designed by ABC Made and the process for devising the characters was wonderfully collaborative. I worked with Creative Director Diana Costantini, Executive Producer Tasha Mahalm, Director Tim Brown, Senior Design Creatives Francesca Snow and Clare D’Arcy, Production Co-ordinator Agnieszka Switala and Production Manager Mark Risso-Gill. I really enjoyed bouncing around ideas and imagining the different characters and their quirks – Arj the hipster barista, Linh the college student, Gloria the boss lady, and Vinnie the ping pong player.

Certain aspects of their designs were determined by very practical limitations. I happened to only have 2 colours of nylon fleece available and with such a quick turnaround there was no time to purchase more from the USA (particularly with longer shipping times due to Covid). So the puppets were going to be blue and purple from the start, which thankfully suited the colour scheme of the campaign! We also used Project Puppet (USA) patterns as a foundation for the build, which really saved on time. Building the puppets in March also had one key advantage – it was right before Easter! I was able to purchase a bunch of hollow plastic Easter eggs to use for puppet eyes, as well as styrofoam eggs that I used to sculpt various puppet features and use as a base for Arj’s tall hairdo.

What led to the decision behind them being silent protagonists? How did that affect your approach to the campaign and the puppetry?

This campaign is for television, digital media, outdoor advertising (such as buses, bus stops, billboards, and train stations) and ABC radio, so it was important that the sound would translate across visual and audio mediums. ABC Made chose Aussie comedian Sam Simmons to be the narrator, and I think his distinctive and energetic voice matches very well with the quirky visual comedy of the puppets.

As a performer I often do the voices for my puppets, but the challenge of this campaign was to convey a puppet’s personality through visuals alone. We wanted to do things that only puppets could do – have their jaw drop, eyes ‘pop’, mind blown (with a confetti cannon) and play puppet ping pong. We made them in such a short period of time and I’m very proud of the end result.

Kay Yasugi with Linh and her mindblowing confetti canon!

You’re based in Sydney; how have the arts and creative industries, especially puppetry, been affected by the pandemic?

2020 was a very challenging year for Australians– with bushfires in January, floods in February and a global pandemic which is still ongoing. Most puppeteers lost gigs and other work, and the recovery has been varied depending on location and Covid numbers.

Theatres around the country are thankfully reopening (with limited capacity), though for artists who work in those industries it’s been particularly tough. The Australian government rolled out a support scheme called ‘JobKeeper’ and ‘JobSeeker’ which has helped eligible puppeteers to stay financially afloat for a time (the scheme ended in March 2021). Some have sought employment in other industries (e.g. teaching, personal training, running online workshops) and others are taking a break and using this time to create new work, develop scripts, and research. Some who have shifted to online puppet shows are even getting bookings from clients overseas, and there are some who are using social media like TikTok, Facebook, and Cameo to gain new audiences and get work.

With the onset of travel bans and social distancing restrictions affecting how we tour, perform, gather and connect, our whole industry has changed. Although many physical doors are closed at the moment, there has been an influx of virtual doors opening, allowing us to connect with artists all around the world.

How is the Australian puppetry community starting to find its feet again in the wake of it?

I have been quite involved with the puppetry organisation UNIMA Australia in our efforts to offer additional support to artists. When the pandemic hit we did more frequent mailouts, including information on helping artists who have lost work due to Covid-19, as well as links to online shows and other resources.

We have organised Zoom meetings with UNIMA members, with ‘think tanks’ (discussing how to create work online), relaxed maker sessions, ‘Puppet Doctor’ seminars (inviting expert puppet makers to give advice on puppet ‘ailments’), ‘Puppetry Nailed It’ competitions (fun and frenzied maker sessions), and special celebrations for World Puppetry Day and our 50th Anniversary. We also put together the Silver Linings Online Puppet Film Festival and invited people to participate from around the world. This year we launched a special 50th Anniversary UNIMA Oz magazine (Volume 1) – a project that was done completely online.

It has been great to see the Australian puppetry community start to get back out into the real world. Shows are touring around the country, including Bluey’s Big Play (based on the popular children’s television program). Puppet theatres and companies are putting on shows and exhibitions too, including ImaginArta Australian Puppet Centre (New South Wales), Erth Visual and Physical Inc (New South Wales), Terrapin Puppet Theatre (Tasmania), Larrikin Puppets (Queensland), and Dead Puppet Society (Queensland). Spare Parts Puppet Theatre (Western Australia) launched their large-scale installation The Last Numbat last year and have also organised shows as well as intensive training workshops.

We have found ways to be resilient and adapt to ever changing restrictions. I’ve seen a trend for more outdoor spectacles and installations (rather than traditional theatre indoors), as well as live performances which are also streamed online. The Melbourne Symphony Orchestra put on ‘Peter and the Wolf’ with puppets made by Annie Forbes and Tim Denton (AboutFace Productions) – the production was digitally streamed and later (once restrictions had eased) performed to live audiences.

Puppet Mayhem – Fly by Niow

A highlight of this year was Puppet Mayhem in Melbourne, Victoria. It was A Blanck Canvas’ first major event to celebrate the launch of their new rehearsal and performance space – The Playground, located at Seaworks Maritime Precinct in Williamstown.

Following Melbourne’s long lasting lockdown, where we saw the arts and events industry come to a halt, over 850 people excitedly came out to experience a variety of puppet shows, multiple roving performances, mesmerising aerial works, workshops, live bands & DJ sets, and much more. It was a huge success, and both the audience and performers had an absolute ball.

We are looking forward to the Melbourne Festival of Puppetry (6-11 July 2021), which we really hope will go ahead in the midst of current restrictions.

I think that finding our feet requires us to reach out our hands in support of one another. We are a diverse, resilient, and adaptable community.

And what are your own plans for the future, can we look forward to any new puppetry projects from you in 2021 or 2022?

I am currently working as an EAL/D (English as an Additional Language/Dialect) teacher at a primary school, and am thankful to be able to use puppetry for language learning. I will keep teaching while also performing shows, running workshops, and seeking out interesting collaborative projects with others.

I am continuing my role as General Secretary of UNIMA Australia along with our new President Philip Millar (Puppetvision, Melbourne, Victoria). We are keen to make connections with puppeteers around Australia and overseas. For anyone interested in Australian puppetry, I recommend joining UNIMA Australia.

Also check out the Talking Sock podcast about Aussie puppetry practitioners.

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Interviewed by Matt Gibbs

Kay Yasugi and mother Youngkyu Kwon

Reimagining The Maze: An Interview with Chris Pirie about RATLab

We caught up with Puppet Place resident artist, Chris Pirie of Green Ginger, to talk about RATLab, a partnership with The Royal Academy of Engineering and University of Bath to develop an interactive STEM-focussed performance.

You’ve recently been working with the Royal Academy of Engineering and the University of Bath to develop an interactive STEM (Science, Technology, Engineering, and Maths) piece for Key Stage 2 pupils in the South West, can you please tell us a little more about the project, and how you came to be involved?

This really exciting project came about some months before the pandemic, and Green Ginger was really fortunate to have funded activity as the theatres started to close. We were first contacted by academics from University of Bath’s (UoB) Dept of Bio-Mechanical Engineering, who sought a partnership to create a classroom intervention targeting primary school children. The project was conceived to challenge any fixed, negative perceptions of STEM, particularly Engineering, and then reframe these subjects as exciting, creative, and relevant.

In 2015, the Royal Academy of Engineering published a major report into the low numbers entering into engineering careers at post-grad level, and since then has been investing in public engagement initiatives to address the problem. The report identified a tendency among Key Stage 2 pupils (7-11 yrs) to form notions that STEM subjects were somehow incompatible with any interest in arts or sports they had. The UoB proposal was a perfect fit; as a theatre company specialising in puppetry effects for stage and screen, bio-mechanical engineering sits at the heart of our work, and we were delighted to also forge a new working relationship with an academic partner.

How are you using theatre and puppetry to talk about STEM in new and engaging ways?

The original intervention for RATLab had relatively simple ambitions; Green Ginger would go into classrooms with teams of graduate engineers and academics from UoB, and employ puppetry and automata to demonstrate some of the fundamental concepts of bio-engineering. However, once the effects of the pandemic kicked in and schools stopped being able to invite external guests, a major rethink was needed.

We arrived at a Covid-safe version of our activity – a series of interconnecting inflatable domes that could be sited within school grounds, yet remain independent from their buildings. Our UoB project partners went back to the Royal Academy who liked our reworked proposal and promptly doubled the budget. This enabled us to purchase the domes, think more theatrically than in the original iteration, and invest in the necessary resources to make the most of the opportunity.

Currently, our design and fabrication team – led by the amazing Nick Willsher ( – has been literally assembling the cast; these are life-sized or over-sized rats, pigs, and dogs. We decided early on in the process to anthropomorphise all our characters, in order to represent diverse team of workers who populated the RATLab. It has been important to emphasise the role of teamwork in engineering; very little is done in the industry that isn’t marked by close collaboration between numerous, distinct areas of skill and expertise.

What has been the biggest challenge in disrupting the traditionally perceived STEM narratives, reframing them, and making them more inclusive and accessible?

Green Ginger – known for its absurd, irreverence and highly visual productions – has needed to ensure that its fresh narratives are grounded in science! Thankfully we have partnered with an amazing team of educators to guide our thinking. The whole project has thrown into sharp focus the sheer amount of STEM activity that the company does in its day-to-day puppetry activities. From exploring the properties of different raw materials to working out how a pig’s hind legs actually move, we can identify physics, biology, chemistry, maths – and of course, engineering – at the core of puppet design and fabrication.

As we approached the reframing of negative narratives, the core creative team reflected upon their own childhoods; how we were taught science and technology subjects, and how we perceived their relevance.

During the project’s development, we have needed to think creatively about how to deliver such an ambitious, experiential performance event under Covid-safe conditions. Fortunately, our inflatable, all-weather structures have presented us with some amazing possibilities, and have given the delivery team its own bespoke working environment. The solution also gives added educational value to our young audiences and their teachers, with an experience outside of their normal learning environment.

You’re gearing up to tour this Autumn term 2021 and Spring term 2022; what do you hope the Key Stage 2 pupils will take away from their experience of RATLab when it visits schools?

We are excited by the potential of this project; it specifically targets children in areas of social deprivation and low arts engagement, and will be free to schools at the point of delivery. Our primary aims are to capture imaginations, inspire curiosity and collaboration, and to reinforce the idea that science is for everyone. We will introduce some of the basics of biomechanics: surgical repair, bone replacement, and injury prevention, whilst shining some light on the influential research carried out by UoB’s engineers, some of which has had real impact on the daily lives of people around the world.

Personally, I’d be delighted if a handful of kids that might normally perceive themselves as essentially arty or sports-oriented, begin to understand the everyday nature of engineering, and its role in every human-made thing we interact with.

Intronauts. Photo Paul Blakemore.

As the Arts, especially theatre and live puppetry, begins to find its feet again a year on from Covid-19; what are your hopes for the coming year in general, for Puppet Place, and for Green Ginger?

I am starting to get excited about making – and performing – new touring work again, I’ve definitely missed that. Green Ginger was fortunate to receive a grant from the Creative Relief Fund, support that has enabled us to invest in some research and development of new show ideas. I’m currently setting up some investigations into deeper exploration into the possibilities of Hologauze technology ( that we employed in our last show Intronauts. The production featured video projection onto a fine, silver-coated gauze stretched across the front of the stage; the gauze disappears with any light behind it, offering us endless possibilities of layering digital content with other scenic elements – including Green Ginger’s trademark lo-fi puppetry.

Puppet Place is an exciting place to be working as our sector slowly re-emerges from the pandemic. All the co-working spaces are full, and the building is buzzing with projects as we relax the caps placed on capacity. Opposable Thumb ( have been creating a new touring production, and House of Funny Noises ( have been busy making a new film ready for Beverley Puppet Festival. We have been fortunate to be in a position to sustain our external hires, with Max Humphries block-booking the rehearsal space and Fabrication Bay for more monstrous builds for Dinosaur World Live (

Puppet Place has also been collaborating with UWE’s architecture department, with its students helping us to reimagine the building for future redevelopment as a bespoke ‘centre of excellence’ in all things animated. And we are having important discussions across the city to explore practical solutions to the lack of diversity in our artform; exciting times ahead!

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Interviewed by Matt Gibbs

The Legend of Jan Tregeagle: An Interview with Simon Tytherleigh, Odd Planet Studios

Odd Planet Studios is based in Devon and was founded in 2013 by Simon Tytherleigh and Leon Cauchois, with a mission to make high-quality stop-motion animations. Their latest stop-motion puppet animation project, ‘The Legend of Jan Tregeagle’, is an exciting retelling of a classic Cornish legend. Amy Baker caught up with the film’s director, Simon Tytherleigh, to find out more about the production of this folktale from deepest, darkest Cornwall.

Still from ‘The Legend of Jan Tregeagle’, directed by Simon Tytherleigh

The Legend of Jan Tregeagle is your most recent film venture. What’s Jan’s story?

In one of the classic legends of Cornwall, Jan Tregeagle is a corrupt and greedy magistrate. A vision of Hell prompts a change of heart, but too late. The folk of Bodmin rejoice at his death, until by mistake he is summoned from his grave. What is now to be done with this wicked man? Should he ever be forgiven? Will the Hounds of Hell catch him? (Answer… you’ll have to watch the film!)

Still from ‘The Legend of Jan Tregeagle’, directed by Simon Tytherleigh
Still from ‘The Legend of Jan Tregeagle’, directed by Simon Tytherleigh

What stage is the production at the moment? 

We have about 20% in the can, and the final movie looks like it will be between 17 and 20 minutes long, so an epic in stop motion terms! It moves very slowly, mostly because I want to have plenty of detail in the sets and puppets, and because we are reproducing some recognisable Cornish landmarks. Roos Mattaar in Bristol is doing some of the animating, and there are others on the team, but mostly it is driven forward by me. The film will be ‘coming dreckly’, as the Cornish say!

Watch the trailer for ‘The Legend of Jan Tregeagle’ – coming dreckly!

You’ve also been involved in, SFX makeup, theatre and boating! Do these things feed into your work? 

Completely. I started out doing make-up effects in television, most memorably devising prosthetics for ‘Casualty’ in the early pioneering days. Working on TV and film drama gave me a sense of how to tell a story visually. I have also written, directed, and acted in a number of stage plays, which also taught me important lessons in dramatic construction. As for the boating, I built an ocean-going catamaran from scratch, which I sailed round the UK in 2018. It certainly taught me a lot about construction and materials, but the most important lesson was that persistence and determination win the day on long projects!

What’s next for you and Odd Planet Studios? 

I have designed and built three motion control rigs, the latest using a lot of 3D printed parts and I am keen to make the files available for anyone who wants to build their own rig. I am also trying to pass on some of my knowledge by making YouTube videos. The latest was constructing thatched cottages with papier maché and cardboard, but I am also enthusing about 3D printing as another incredibly useful tool for model makers. I have been 3D printing mouldings and even working door latches for the film!

Test shot of the motion control (moco) rig on set

As for future projects… I can’t think beyond the next scene at the moment!

Interview with Amy Baker

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An Interview with a Barbarian and a Troll

Cat Rock talks to Drew Massey (Co-creator/Puppeteer) and Colleen Smith (Puppeteer) on the upcoming Barbarian and the Troll TV puppet series being released this April on Nickelodeon. Get a behind the scenes look at the next big puppet series.

Hail and well met my friends! Have you heard the news sweeping across the land? A tale of adventure, mystery, and sentient axes?! The Barbarian and the Troll is an upcoming live-action puppet comedy series set to hit our screens later this year on Nickelodeon. Created by Drew Massey and Mike Mitchell the show will feature original puppet characters, beautiful visuals, and an all star comedy cast. This series is a must see for any lover of puppets, barbarians, wizards, trolls, or fantasy adventure. I caught up with Drew Massey, co-creator and puppeteer, and Colleen Smith, lead puppeteer of the show’s protagonist Brendar, about the production.

Drew, can you tell us a bit about yourself? 

Drew Massey (DM): Hi! I’m Drew Massey, a regular guy from a middle class family who grew up watching the Muppet Show, Sesame Street, Krofft shows, and tons of fantasy films. I’ve always loved to draw and tell stories, and I’ve always loved puppets. For years I’ve seen a lot of potential in that medium to tell stories in an engaging way. So I became a puppeteer. I’ve worked on television shows, movies with budgets big and small, and lots of commercials. 

Where did the story for the Barbarian and the Troll come from? 

DM: Mike (Mitchell, co-creator and director of The Barbarian and the Troll) and I had lunch one day. We had known each other for many years and were both excited about the idea of doing a show with puppets together. He suggested a show with a barbarian and I suggested adding a troll to it. There it was. Barbarian and troll. From there we tossed ideas back and forth to nail down the specifics. We both love fantasy films and have lots of similar references from which we draw inspiration, so it was a very smooth collaboration. We inspire and amuse each other, so we just kept pitching funny ideas and building this world.

Colleen, can you tell us a bit about the show? 

Colleen Smith (CS): It follows the adventures of Brendar the Barbarian and Evan the Troll. They travel across the land of Gothmoria searching for Brendar’s missing brother, picking up a hapless Wizard (Allan Trautman), a teen Owl (Sarah Sarang Oh) and a talking axe (James Murray) along the way. The cool part is, it’s all puppets. No humans to be found. There are only eight puppeteers on the whole show. So we all played a bunch of different characters, sometimes dropping one puppet to run and grab another one to enter the same shot. We filmed the whole thing in Vancouver, during Covid, so there was a lot of quarantining and nose swabs. 

Those who swab together slay together!

Photo by Sarah Oh

So Drew, why puppets to tell this story? 

DM: Puppets shows are very hard to pitch and sell, especially if they aren’t either super nasty or for very young children. We knew going in that selling our show was going to be an uphill battle, but we were determined to try to hit a sweet spot – a middle ground ripe for what we now know are called “co-viewing” opportunities, where hopefully there’s something for everyone, parents and kids alike. I think maybe because we had tried to do a show like this for so many years, each on our own, we knew the pitfalls. But we were doggedly determined to show people what we saw in our heads as being something really unique.

But to answer the question, ‘Why puppets?’ I would have to say because we wanted to break through a certain barrier with puppets the same way animation had done years before with Anime and CG. We were intent on removing the stigma of the medium and telling cool stories in a fantasy world without people being conscious of the fact that they are watching a puppet show. Time will tell whether or not we were successful. But we tried our hardest.

Colleen, tell us how you got into puppetry?

CS: I got into puppetry through improv. I trained, and now teach, at a theatre in Los Angeles called The Groundlings. It’s an improv and sketch theatre/school. When Brian Henson decided to train his puppeteers in improv, he brought in improvisers as well and trained them to puppeteer. That’s how I started to work for The Jim Henson Co. – first in the live improv show Puppet Up! and then in various projects like The Curious Creations of Christine McConnell (Netflix), The Happytime Murders (2018), and That Puppet Game Show (BBC).

How did you take to puppetry coming from your improv background? 

CS: One of the main rules of improv is eye contact. Which is impossible with puppets. I had to quickly readjust how I connected to my scene partners. I became a much better listener.  And I was so used to conveying emotion and intent through my body and facial expressions. Getting a puppet to cry, glare, or wince is not as easy as it seems. Watching people like Leslie Carrera Rudolph or Louise Gold taught me a lot about how to convey emotion through a puppet. Or, how to bend a puppet to your will.

Photo by Sarah Oh

You puppeteer Brendar, the fierce female warrior and protagonist of the show, what was it like to puppeteer her? 

CS: Fun and hard. The fun part is how still and small I got to be with her. My natural sense of humour and style is more subtle than what is wanted on most puppet shows, and sometimes I get lectured about going bigger. It was great to get to keep Brendar really still and stoic. (I mean really small; our director Mike says I barely moved her mouth in some takes.) But then, I get to flip to over-dramatic speeches or petulant and cranky speeches. If anyone saw That Puppet Game Show, Brendar has some similarities with Mancie. Frustrated, driven, and usually right. The hard part was the puppet is very long and heavy. If you’ve puppeteered, you understand what that means. But if you haven’t, it means you are fully extending your arm all the time. It leads to weird body angles and strange back pain. Brendar has a LOT of speeches, so by the end my right arm was jacked.

Spencer Grammer is the voice of Brendar, how does it compare to doing the voice yourself? Which came first, the puppet or the voice? How does working in a team like this affect the character development/performance?

CS: The vocals weren’t prerecorded for Brendar or any of the characters on this show. The shows were edited together and Spencer and the other voice actors did ADR after. All of the voices that are dubbed were cast about halfway into filming. I think pre-recorded vocals work when everything is set in stone or with short sketches, like with Crank Yankers. All of us were improvising throughout production. If we had a locked vocal track that would have limited what we could have done in the moment. So we took ownership of our characters. I’ve never worked on a puppet project where I was dubbed, so this was a first. I had a few moments where it was hard to figure out how to put so much of myself in her when I knew she would eventually be voiced by someone else. But I called Brian Henson and he reminded me that puppetry has always been a collaborative art form. Even if Brendar had my voice, Nicolette Santino would be responsible for so many of the funny and awesome things Brendar did with her hands. And when Brendar fought/interacted with other characters I played, or even herself, the other puppeteers all stepped in. I haven’t seen much of Brendar with Spencer’s voice yet, but I think it just adds a new layer to the performance. Basically Brendar is all of us, and we are all Brendar!

Put that on a T-shirt! Drew, how much of the show was pre-scripted versus improvised, given you had an amazing comedy team working on the show?

DM: Our writers were so great at hammering out the stories and keeping everything moving, the scripts were pretty much complete when we hit the stage. But there’s almost always room to put in extra jokes and find different character dynamics on the day, so that’s what we would often do when running scenes. Sometimes things wouldn’t be apparent until the actors and puppets were all on set together and scenes would get a few new jokes or attitude adjustments on the fly. And sometimes our cast would improvise something in the moment that was just so funny and true to the scene we would have to incorporate it. So I would say it was all scripted… but liberally enhanced.

Photo by Sarah Oh

What’s new and different about The Barbarian and the Troll, what exciting things can we hope to see when it’s released?

DM: The unique thing about The Barbarian and the Troll is that it’s an all-puppet fantasy comedy for adults and kids and it is gorgeous. Our Directors of Photography were just phenomenal in giving these puppets a visually cinematic treatment in a way that hasn’t been seen on television much. The stories are full of drama, comedy, magic, battles, and explosions.  The world of Gothmoria, where The Barbarian and the Troll takes place, is chock full of wondrous creatures and lush landscapes. It’s got posh dragons, hungry evil trees, creepy-cute gnomes, talking peppers, disgruntled skeletons, frosty ogres, wacky witches, mini-krakens, zombies, ghosts, and a mace-wielding Knight named Steve, just to name a few.  That doesn’t even cover our main cast! There are over a hundred new puppet characters in our show, which is just nuts. Prepare yourself an ocular insulin shot, because this show is wall-to-wall eye candy.

CS: I think the tone of the show is really different. It’s a show for kids, but we all let our humour creep in. Or I shoved mine in. And almost all of the puppeteers have worked together for a long time; we’ve been working as a ‘troupe’ for many years, so there is a familiarity to how we work together and how we interact. I think it will feel like a gaggle of friends rather than a cast. We also shot some scenes on location (in the freezing cold and rain) so the whole show is really beautiful. Tyler Walzak, our DP, the set designers, set dec, the camera crew, the puppet builders, wranglers, effects, props, and everyone are so talented! And the puppet designs by Mike and Drew are really fucking cool. Every time a new puppet came from LA, it was like Christmas. Oh, and the builders Jurgen Ferguson and Russ Walko, and Carol Binion who made the costumes… Everyone did incredible work. 

Wow, so a lot of the puppeteers had worked together before on puppet comedies, that must have been great to work with a group you are so comfortable with?

CS: It made the whole shoot fun and relaxed. We would trade lines and punch up each other’s jokes. Sometimes we would just change a line in the moment and trust that everyone else would just adjust in the moment. It also made assisting a lot more dynamic. Nikki would make Brendar do hand gestures that I do in real life. And Jeny (Cassady), who met us at the beginning of this shoot, did sillier and more fantastical gestures and poses for Drew and Allan’s characters as the weeks progressed. And Sarah on gnome hands… You’ll see!

Photo by Sarah Oh

Any show production stories you want to share?

CS: I believe I got hit in the head by every weapon in the show – Brendar’s sword, Axe, Sharon’s sword, a mace, a cup. And once I plowed directly into the camera jib. Don’t worry, Catering/Medical checked me for a concussion. And since we had so many fun new locations and sets it meant I got to pull fun new debris from my bra each week. Sand, snow (paper and or potato flakes), wood chips, yarn, and so on.

Or, there was a scene where Brendar had a dramatic line and I wanted a ‘nails on a chalkboard’ moment. I asked the director if we could have something like that. “Maybe she could sharpen her sword,” and before I even finished the question, props handed me a sharpening stone they had made ‘just in case’. That was how great everyone was. When you see the sombrero in that same episode, it has a similar backstory. 

Colleen, what was your favourite part of this production, any characters, scenes or experiences stand out? 

CS: The whole thing was such a crash course for me. I’ve been a puppeteer for about ten years now, but I’ve never been the lead character, especially on an action show. All the sword fights and stunts were really challenging and awesome. I also loved how collaborative Mike and Drew were about our characters. They really let me mess with Brendar and make her my own.

The last week was super intense. Lots of fight sequences and dance numbers and we were all exhausted. On one of the last days Nikki, Jeny (Cassady), Peggy (Etra) and I had to make a character run. The character had so many various limbs that it needed that many assists. The whole time we’d been filming, I kept getting the note to have my characters walk slower, but this time they let me run almost full out. The four of us booking it with this puppet while B Cam raced along with us was so much fun. I can’t wait for people to see it. It’s very much the definition of collaboration between the puppeteers and everyone else. It’s a short moment, but it’s my favourite. If you had seen me in the pilot presentation, when I was all too happy to have Alice Dinnean handle all the hard stuff, you would be real proud of my growth. 

Photo by Sarah Oh

Drew anything else about the production you want to share?

DM: This show was incredibly challenging to make, but I think it came out great and people are going to love it. Mike and I have already discussed where to go story wise with subsequent seasons and even with all the cool stuff in season one, there’s a lot more in our brains that we want to put on screen!

Oh, and some of us do ‘British-style’ accents in this, so I ask in advance for your forgiveness. Just remember that it all takes place in Gothmoria, which is a land of many accents, and not anywhere in the UK. There. Disclaimer over.

Ultimately, we all had so much fun making this show, and I think we made something pretty great. I hope people like it enough that they watch it again and again.

The Barbarian and the Troll is set to hit Nickelodeon in April 2021, so keep an eye out for this fantasy adventure like no other! The Quest is yet to come! 

Check out Colleen and Drew’s other work via:

Thank you to everyone the the Barbarian and the Troll production team including the puppeteers:

Sarah Sarang Oh

Nicolette Santino

Peggy Etra

Drew Massey

Allan Trautman

James Murray

Jeny Cassady

Can’t wait to see the show! 

Interview by Cat Rock

In with the New: Meet the Latest Resident Artists at Puppet Place

Puppet Place is the UK’s hub for puppetry and animation. Our building, Unit 18, is full of brilliant artists and creatives working in puppetry, animation, film, visual arts, theatre, robotics, outdoor arts and creative technologies. In this article, we introduce you to some of the most recent Resident Artists to join our space and share more about their creative practice and passion.

Chatrapati Ākula & Kyle Hirani: Vāsthu

Who are you and what do you do?
Vāsthu is a technology house providing R&D services at the intersection of arts and robotics. We weave together our varied experience and capabilities to deliver value to clients.

Why did you move into Puppet Place?
When we left Launch Space at UWE Frenchay, we wanted to move into a place that was close to the centre, had a welcoming, warm and active community of creatives, and also had a maker/fabrication space. More importantly, the residents have been great people for as long as we’ve known them.


Chatrapati Ākula (left) & Kyle Hirani (right)

Matt Gibbs: Writer, Narrative Designer, Editor

Who are you and what do you do?
Hi, my name’s Matt Gibbs, and I’m a writer, narrative designer, and editor. The narrative designer part is probably the hardest part of that to pin down, it’s a term that is still being defined and refined in a number of industries. For me, it comes from my work with interactive narratives and games, whether for video and tabletop games or – more recently – art and creative technology experiences. It encompasses both linear and non-linear narratives, but centres the audience as integral to them, and focuses on the creation of all the elements, not just story, that support and enhance that. In short, it is about trust and empowering the audience – which is both fun and challenging. Alongside all of that, I also work in a variety of other mediums, including films and comics.

Why did you move into Puppet Place?
It was working on The Lost Librarian with Lizzie Johnson (designer, fabricator, and producer) and Kyle Hirani (roboticist and creative technologist) that lured me into joining Puppet Place. Together we created an interactive story utilising creative technology, games and puzzles, which was commissioned by Libraries Unlimited (as part of their Evolve programme with funding from Arts Council England) and we’re currently working on a touring version for 2021. Lizzie was already a resident and I greatly enjoyed our collaboration, plus the wider support, ethos and atmosphere of Puppet Place. It has led to more collaborations and opportunities, and a growing understanding of puppetry in its many forms.

Twitter: @matthewgibbs
Instagram: @mattwgibbs

Matt Gibbs (left) & Kyle Hirani (right)

Eloise Dunwell: Artist, Curator

Who are you and what do you do?
My name is Eloise and I studied Fine Art and Curating at UWE, (next door to Puppet Place at Spike Island.) I’ve been freelance curating for a few years, but I’m ready to dive back into my own practice and re-discover my creative side. The things I work on vary from paintings to photography, music, collected items and more craft-based works.

Why did you move into Puppet Place?
I definitely love community hubs, so Puppet Place stood out because of all the amazing people working here. I’d visited Max Dorey a few times pre-pandemic as we were planning an exhibition together. Everyone we met was so polite and it was a really friendly atmosphere. I love the idea of people sharing resources and time to create amazing things!

Instagram: @lulibirdart

Eloise Dunwell

Amy Baker: Animator, Filmmaker

Who are you and what do you do?
My name’s Amy Baker, sometimes known as Wormy Baker, a stop-motion filmmaker. My films vary a lot in content and style, the only thing linking them all is that I made them. I like to stay playful and try new things. I moved to Bristol from Leicester to study animation and have been into filmmaking and craft for a long time, as well as sound and music. I like to be involved in every aspect of production, which means I’m a pony with many tricks but I’m not extremely skilled in a specific area. I’m also a dancer and enjoy a bit of yoga, which helps me to understand how bodies move and draws me to animation (the best bit!). I’m signed up to the Aardman Academy animation course due to start in May, so hopefully I’ll be improving lots very soon.

Why did you move into Puppet Place?
The first time I came to Puppet Place was for an event where Emma Windsor was doing a talk. I loved the talk, the space was full of crazy props and they had wine and snacks! I wanted to get more involved and also wanted to try writing about animation, so I joined the Puppet Place press team. I’ve been helping with the newsletter for a year now. Puppet Place was the right size for me, has a nice community and is well organised. There are fabrication areas, a little garden and best of all, a carpet!

Instagram: @wormybaker

Amy Baker

Helena Houghton: Maker, Animator

Who are you and what do you do?
I am Helena Houghton, I am a puppet maker, props maker, film maker and animator. I’m also a founding member of The House of Funny Noises, alongside Cat Rock and Izzy Bristow. I make all kinds of puppets, large and small. At the moment my focus is on short films.

Why did you move into Puppet Place?
I have been an Associate Artist for a while now with Puppet Place and decided to join as a Resident so I can work in a more social setting (or as social as it can be in a pandemic). I also wanted a place that I can spread out in for future projects as I had previously been working from home and feel like I will get more done with a dedicated space.

Instagram: @Helenahoughton

Helena Houghton (left) and her puppet-self (right)

Based in the heart of Bristol, Puppet Place offers workspace for artists and creatives including puppeteers, makers, technologists, designers and filmmakers.  Benefits of becoming a resident at Puppet Place include your own desk space, a profile on our website, advice and information, discounted rates on hire rates in the fabrication and rehearsal studios and connection with a community of like-minded creatives.  To find out more contact us at info [at], visit our website or call 0117 929 3593.

Interviews by Emma Windsor

The Phoenix Rises! The Pickup of Puppetry Post Pandemic

A tantalising handful of exciting puppetry that is gearing up for the post lockdown world!

With people’s hopes pinned on theatres, venues, and events opening up this summer, many artists are gearing up to produce some dynamic new work for what promises to be a veritable cornucopia of creativity! We spoke to a colourful collection of companies, all of who are all planning their puppetry resurgence – from opera and science to festivals and flying dragons!

First I spoke to Sue Buckmaster at Theatre-Rites who have had a real ‘stop start’ of a year, but despite the set backs, and having turned much of their work digital, have managed to plow ahead with some exciting live projects for 2021.

RobotBoy by Theatre-Rites

Sue Buckmaster: Myself and the team at Theatre-Rites have had a busy Covid year.

First, our performance of RobotBoy at Bochum Schauspeilhaus, Germany, had to stop performing. It had performed to over 18, 000 young people, but was meant to continue. Therefore we made and edited a film version that is now doing a digital tour. The next showings are part of Animation Puppet Festival 2021 and The Croucher Science Week, Hong Kong.

My production with Akram Khan Company of Chotto Xenos had performed six times and then stopped. It has since had a stop/start world tour depending on the situation in each hosting country. Performances went ahead in Paris and Barcelona, but most have been delayed until later this year. 

The Theatre-Rites second planned tour of BigUp was turned into a digital sharing. The company were meant to offer employment for a 9 week tour. Instead they employed the team, who all offered an online series of events called BigUp at Home.

In the summer we created Talking Rubbish, an online performance for the Spark Festival. I also created two online Masterclasses on Puppet Whispering and Creating Site-Specific work. Liam Jarvis and myself finished writing the Book  ‘Animating Puppets, Objects and Sites’ and that will be available from Routledge Books in Summer 2021 as part of celebrating our 25th Birthday year. 

We have been auditioning, researching, and developing our new show using Zoom. This will be announced in April and will take place in July 2021.

We have also been developing a new collaboration with the Burg Theatre, Vienna. This will go into production Winter 2021 and will be a celebration, remembrance, and an understanding of Nature in light of our overuse of plastic. 

We are determined to keep art available for our young audiences and provide support for a sector which has been so badly hit by the pandemic.

I managed to catch up with Bristol’s very own Chris Pirie at Green Ginger who are partnering with The Royal Academy of Engineering and University of Bath, to develop an interactive STEM-focussed (Science, Technology, Engineering, and Maths) performance experience for Key Stage 2 (KS2) pupils in Bristol, Bath, and the South West, called – RATLab.

Green Ginger’s RATLab 2021

Chris Pirie: Covid-safe performances of RATLab will be presented within a bespoke inflatable dome that is installed in school playgrounds in the Autumn Term 2021 and Spring Term 2022. The performance challenges and disrupts conventional narratives around STEM and uses innovative theatre techniques to reframe engineering as:

• Creative, exciting, and able to improve the quality of life.

• An option for those interested in the arts and sports, not just science.

• More diverse than publicly perceived.

The partnership project aims to inspire creative public engagement, raise awareness of engineering’s diversity and impact, and engage with those underrepresented in the field. RATLab confronts the negative assumptions around STEM that are commonly held by KS2/3 pupils. Recent RAE research shows that rapid child development around 7 years – as pupils move from KS1 into KS2 – affects how perceptions of STEM subjects form. It also highlights how these assumptions inform decision-making later on, in relation to GCSE/A Level and eventual career pathways. RATLab is an exciting intervention, designed to disrupt misconceptions before they take root in young, developing minds. 

Engineering research at UB has profoundly changed everyday life and this project celebrates these achievements, using GG’s puppetry and storytelling expertise to demonstrate how applied engineering positively influences our lives. The narrative content focusses UB’s work in developing new techniques and materials for joint replacement and research into sports injury that led to fundamental changes to the way rugby is played globally. Additionally, pupils will benefit from a learning experience in an innovative learning environment, away from everyday classroom activities.

I then spoke to Kerrin Tatman from Moving Parts in Newcastle who is delighted to have received funding for the 2021 Newcastle Puppet Festival!


Newcastle Puppet Festival 2021

Kerrin Tatman: It’s going to be different. It’s going to be safe, but spectacular. It’s going to be both live and online. It’s going to be in summer.

Normally the festival fills Newcastle’s venues and streets with puppetry performances and masterclasses from all around the UK and Europe. This won’t be possible this year for obvious reasons, but that isn’t to say that the 2021 event will be any less ambitious than usual. The main focus for 2021 will be a specially-commissioned, socially-distanced outdoor theatre spectacle that will be watched live and online by thousands of audience members. We are really excited about this – it is a big step for us and is moving into brand new territory. It will be bold, beautiful, and will transform one of Newcastle’s largely-unused public spaces into a puppet fantasy.

In addition to this, there will be a programme of talks, workshops, and small-scale performances taking place online over a month to sink your teeth into. A huge thank you to Arts Council England and our other funders for making this all possible.

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Big Boys Don’t Cry
Image design: Onela Keal 

Opposable Thumb Theatre are ecstatic and relieved to have just received match funding from Arts Council England towards making their new show ‘Big Boys Don’t Cry’. So, along with this and funding from Nordland Visual Theatre in Norway, plus support from The London Mime Festival, rehearsals can begin in mid-April.

They were originally flying out to Stamsund, on the Lofoten Islands to create the show, but due to quarantine restrictions they will be making it in Bristol. Dik is currently making puppets and props at Puppet Place and reliving his childhood dream of buying loads of Action Man in the hope that he can smuggle them into the storyline somehow.

‘Big Boys Don’t Cry’, intends to dissect the emotional complexities of being a father and losing one, in a riotous and euphoric explosion of colour, dance, clown, and puppets, or something like that!

Photo: Paul Blakemore

Tessa Bide is powerhouse of creativity! Here are her thoughts on the last year and her news for what is next…

Tessa Bide: After a real rollercoaster of a year full of some bleak lows but also some surprising, exciting highs, I entered my first R&D in over 2.5 years in February. Six years ago I wrote a story called ‘The Magic Snow Globe’ for a Christmas show commission and it’s sat on my hard drive since. It centres on a relationship between a girl and her grandma, and the girl’s journey to find snow, so we built an intergenerational R&D to support the project.

I lead outreach between a local group of elders, ‘Monday Club’ at BS3 Community Centre and year 5 students from Headley Park Primary. What I hadn’t expected, but what our partner Wyldwood Arts had guided us towards, was that soon, the intergenerational element became much more interesting than the classic adventure story with echoes of The Wizard of Oz.

The ten day R&D, working with a team of new collaborators I’d never worked with before, took a really interesting direction. It quickly became clear that making work this side of the pandemic is a very different experience. Artists so often serve to hold a mirror to society and reflect what needs to be celebrated, changed, or thrown away, and also to bring people together. This year has been so huge, we all felt we couldn’t ignore that in what we made. Very early on, we decided to ‘park’ the version of the show that would tour to studio theatres, and instead started workshopping community shows, a show on a beach, a show in a train carriage, shadow puppetry shows on windows of care homes…

This last year has made puppeteers and theatre makers rethink how and where they present their work, and at the moment, studio theatres don’t seem very relevant or, perhaps, exciting. Of course I’m sure they will be again, and I will always love performing on a stage, but at the moment, I think we’re in an exciting time where theatre and puppetry is getting to the masses in perhaps a more egalitarian way… bypassing some of the traditional gatekeepers.

What emerged from the R&D was a lot of learning about the ‘hows’ and ‘whys’ of good intergenerational, participatory work, and six shows that we want to make! Some centre around puppetry, after all we were working with gorgeous maquettes and shadow puppets from Isabel Lyster, but some don’t. Now we start the next step of talking to people about them and seeing which ones leave a mark and which ones don’t.

Over the next six months we are also digitally touring our co-production with Soap Soup Theatre, The Selfish Giant, via the Puppet Animation Festival and several other venues; and The Anarchist’s Mobile Library – both in its new digital audio/BSL format and, fingers crossed, live, in-person gigs this Summer around my neighbourhood in Filwood thanks to an Originators Fund grant from Bristol City Council. We’re still here, we’ve made it through, and we’ve done a lot of learning. Bring it on. 

Lastly, there is the awe inspiring ‘The Hatchling’ due to take flight 14-15 August 2021.

This summer, theatre-makers Trigger will stage The Hatchling, an extraordinary free outdoor performance featuring the world’s first flying puppet.

A dragon taller than a double-decker bus will hatch and roam through Plymouth, inviting the public to accompany her on her journey. On Sunday at sunset, The Hatchling will transform into a kite with a 20m wingspan and soar over the coast in a unique feat of artistry and engineering.

The Hatchling’s creative team includes puppetry expert Mervyn Millar, who was part of the original War Horse team, and Carl Robertshaw, a designer for the London 2012 Olympic Ceremonies and a five-time sport kite world champion.

Visit for the latest updates. There will be an article coming in our next issue taking a closer look at the team behind this project.

In conclusion, I take huge inspiration from those who have fought against all odds to keep things going and do what artists do best, which is to adapt, adjust, and accommodate to any obstacles that are put in their way. It appears that in some cases these obstacles only serve to make both people’s work and their resolve to keep creating even stronger!

All hail to the ‘Puppetry Phoenix’ as it rises from the ashes of the pandemic!

Interviews by Josh Elwell

Under the Sea with Harriett Bradbury

Interview with the Animation Director

Still from Under the Sea. Photo by Harriett Bradbury.

Under the Sea‘, Sugarmoon’s latest single; an easy breezy love song that brings us some much needed serenity. Warm beach vibes and whimsical dreams of frolicking in the sea or maybe diving to an under water world. The song brings a hopeful reminder of the fun times ahead when there are no more lockdown restrictions. Harriett Bradbury, Animation Director, has captured the song beautifully in her new music video. A band of sea critters performs the song, ‘Under the Sea’, under the sea! The video is an injection of charm with each character showing a distinct personality. My favourite is the crab with his rosy cheeks and tiny bowtie. I can imagine the creatures playing at a prom in a teen movie, they’re all smart and ready for their big show.

Still from Under the Sea. Photo by Harriett Bradbury

This isn’t Harriett’s first film full of characters you just want to squeeze and put in your pocket. Harriett Bradbury’s work often takes cute and funny creatures and makes them feel like real characters with quirks and insecurities. Her award winning film, ‘Love Bugs’ is a great example of this where Dusty the moth goes on a series of bad dates. One fly orders a plate of poo at a fancy restaurant, another slaps Dusty in the face for looking at her glowing behind (firefly). Harriett’s films are thoughtfully put together from the idea to the design to the performance. Every detail creates a world in which humour, warmth and story are at the centre.

Tell us about yourself and the work you do.

I am a stop motion filmmaker based in Bristol and currently working as a junior compositor at A Productions Ltd. It’s definitely tricky balancing personal projects alongside a full time job, but I try to develop them whenever I can. I enjoy every step of the filmmaking process, from writing to post production, and get so much gratification seeing a project grow from a tiny spark of an idea to a fully formed film. Although animation feels incredibly tedious when you’re in the midst of it, seeing something come to life at your hands is magical and worth the slog.

Although I would consider myself a stop motion filmmaker and a bit of a generalist, puppet design and fabrication was my first love. Anyone who has seen my work will know I have a real soft spot for anything anthropomorphised. Aesthetically, I enjoy working with low tech materials and don’t think it’s necessary to spend a lot of money to make something effective. Plus, there is something very charming about things that look like the material it’s made out of – as if you’re reinvigorating the life of an inanimate object.

Still from Under the Sea. Photo by Harriett Bradbury.

What led you to puppet animation?

I’ve always been more inclined toward puppet animation. Working in 3D space makes way more sense to me and I love the tangibility of stop motion. I’ve always had an active interest in theatre, puppetry, and filmmaking, so it felt like a very natural route for me to take.

Under the sea! Can you tell us about your latest project?

Yes! I worked with local Bristol band, Sugarmoon to create a music video for their latest track ‘Under the Sea’. The song is so fun and was an absolute pleasure to work with. It took five months to complete in total, including all pre-production work. Luckily, I had a pretty solid idea of what the video was going to look like and so design and fabrication didn’t take as long as it usually might.

Originally, I had planned to make wire armature puppets, but due to time and budget parameters I decided to use paper instead. Previous to this project, I had never really worked with paper or used a multi-plane camera before, so it was definitely a learning curve and has certainly helped me grow as a stop motion artist. Working with paper allowed me to work more illustratively and create something completely different to my previous work. I’ve never been a traditional pen and paper animator, so it was wonderful to design a bunch of 2D characters and still be able to animate them physically with stop motion.

I can’t wait to share it with everyone! The track is so joyful, it’s impossible not to smile when listening to it. The video definitely reflects that exuberant spirit, and I feel grateful that I got to work with such great material. The video was released on the 2nd April and you can also hear the song on Spotify.

Behind the scenes of Under the Sea. Photo by Harriett Bradbury.

Do you have any big creative influences?

I have a very eclectic taste in art and film and so find myself influenced by so many different sources. Even so, I find the bulk of my ideas are based in comedy; especially deadpan or absurdist humour. There is so much to be said about the power of making people laugh, and it’s something I will always strive for with my work. I’ve loved the poems of Spike Milligan since I was a kid, so he immediately springs to mind as someone who has been very influential to me.

Any future animation plans?

Still from Under the Sea. Photo by Harriett Bradbury.

I have a couple of collaborative projects in my peripheral vision, but I can’t really talk about them yet! Other than that, I have lots of ideas bouncing around for future short films and I’d love to use paper animation again, but nothing set in stone. I’ve also been thinking of ways I can set up a shooting space at home but nothing has come to fruition yet. Basically, there is so much I want to do! If I can continue creating my own work around my 9-5, I will be a very happy woman.

What are you looking forward to as restrictions ease?

I really miss going for a pint after work on a Friday. I have everything crossed that we can have a more sociable summer and reunite with the friends and family we haven’t been able to see for the last year. There have been too many missed birthday celebrations and two of my closest friends had to postpone their wedding. That will be a right knees up when it comes around!

Keep up with Harriett and Sugarmoon on Instagram. Listen to the track on Spotify

Interview by Amy Baker

Short, Sweet, & Sickening: An Interview with The House of Funny Noises

Founded by Izzy Bristow, Helena Houghton, and Cat Rock, The House of Funny Noises is a Bristol based film collective that aims to make short, sweet, and sickening puppet films and media. Working with friends and other local artists, in less than a year, they have produced and released six films. We caught up with them to find out how their year has gone, the challenges they faced, and what the future holds.

The House of Funny Noises. Filming the trailer ident for the Bristol 48 hour Puppet Film Challenge 2020.

How did The House of Funny Noises form, what are you all about, and what are the goals behind your collective?

Helena Houghton (HH): Initially, it started during the first lockdown, while we were all out of work with not a lot to do, we took part in the LA Guild of Puppetry’s 48 hour Film Project. We decided to play on hard mode and make everything! We were up at 2:00 AM till 2:00 AM two days later making BELLY and after that we just thought, ‘great, let’s keep doing this!’. Since then we have made five more films and we are really enjoying ourselves.

As a collective, we are all about making films that are short, sweet, and sickening. Our main objective is to experiment, we love to push our imaginations to make fascinating and sometimes disgusting visuals, as well as tell concise thought provoking stories. We really enjoy taking a story and turning it on its head. For example, when filming SPROUT for the Raindance 60 second film competition we were given the theme ‘love in lockdown’, so we chose to make a dramatic romance and betrayal starring spider plants. We like to subvert expectations and find ways to make something fresh.

Over the last year, you’ve created a variety of puppet films; what have been the challenges you’ve faced?

HH: Working to deadlines has been difficult, a lot of what we have done has had a very quick turnaround time, so getting to grips with making puppet films fast, organising that, has been interesting.

We’ve all had to learn how to film and edit properly. I have some experience from university, but that was a while ago, and for Cat and Izzy it was their first time doing film like this and we are all still constantly learning and pushing ourselves. Mostly, I think learning how we work together has been the biggest challenge, but it’s also been great. We are definitely growing with each project and I think doing it all in the middle of a pandemic is quite an achievement. We make an excellent team.

The House of Funny Noises. Filming the trailer ident for the Bristol 48 hour Puppet Film Challenge 2020.

What have you learnt from the experience, often with very quick turnarounds, of making puppet films?

HH: As a collective, I think we have learnt that communication is key. We all work in different ways and that is difficult, but also has a lot of merit. Everytime we work together we learn from each other. We have started doing a ‘lessons learnt’ meeting at the end of each project so when we move on to the next thing we document what works and what doesn’t.

We have picked up a host of skills through doing this, all of us are puppet makers originally, but we do everything, all the lighting, camera work, and post production ourselves so that has been a fun learning curve. Importantly, you need just as much rehearsal time as filming, it’s no good spending lots of time making a fancy puppet and set without getting to know them before you shoot!

I have learnt a lot about the way I work with others, as a very visual worker, I need to sketch and storyboard things out before we get into anything, to feel like I have a good idea of what we are making and how we want it to feel. Also, I have learnt a lot about live action puppets through Cat and Izzy’s guidance, getting better at designing mechanisms and learning more about performance.

Izzy Bristow (IB): Editing, I have learnt so much about what it is to have an idea, build it up into something, and then have the reality of time and budget slap us in the face. Oddly enough, what is left when all the extra bits are shed away is a much more concise and elegant version of the original idea.

Cat Rock (CR): Opportunity comes to those who are prepared! This is one of my favorite quotes and it really sums up what I have learned from working in the House of Funny Noises. You need to take the time to build your skill set and working practice so that you have a solid base on which to stand. With each project we have learnt a little bit more and developed as a group, on the next project we work better together and more efficiently, building on what we experienced before.

Over the last year (it’s nearly our anniversary!), we have grown so much and now we are in a position to take on opportunities and challenges, bringing our point of view into the puppetry world. We have prepared ourselves with the skills and determination to grab the opportunities to come. 

What have been your favourite moments, and films themselves, from amongst the pieces you’ve produced? What do you hope audiences take away from them?

IB: I think SNOT (Going Out) is my favorite. Cat did an excellent job of figuring out the limitations of the LA Guild of Puppetry’s Halloween 48 hour Challenge and then creating a film that looks like it didn’t have anything holding it back at all. The story fits perfectly in the time allotted and within the small set she made all on her own (due to scheduling problems it was a film Cat took on without us but with Matt Gibbs behind the camera).

CR: One of my personal favorite moments was from our first film BELLY. I performed an upside down mouth monster and then we recorded foley for the scene. It was funny, grose, weird, and utterly fun to film. The cherry on top of the cake is that when the judges from the LA Guild of Puppetry’s 48 hour Film Project were talking about the film, which won honourable mention, one judge said, “The chin puppet was very effective. Too effective! Incredibly gross. Congratulations, but I never want to see anything like that again…” This made my day!

HH: My favourite film is probably SLINGJAW WRASSE. It’s quite hard to be both funny and informative, and Izzy wrote a fantastic script, plus the beautiful yellow puppet made by Nick Wilsher and finished by Izzy is wonderfully eye-catching.

HH: Any time we make something a bit messy too; we had so much fun making the fish egg scene in SLINGJAW WRASSE. We had a big tank of water, lots of gunge that Cat had made, and bright pink boba beads. We played around with getting just the right amount of gross for the shot and again on SNOT (Going Out) the creature was so gooey.

I think we hope our audience will just enjoy them, each film is individual. We want to make people feel the expression we put into them. SNOT is kind of gross and scary, WORM is a bit cute and fun, SLINGJAW WRASSE is that combo of informative silly and nerdy, etc, etc.

What’s next for the House of Funny Noises? What more can we look forward to in 2021?

HH: We are thrilled to say that we will be making a short film for the Beverley Puppet Festival’s ‘Sanctuary’ project, which we are looking forward to telling you more about in the future! Currently, we’re working with the festival team to gather ideas and inspiration from the people of Beverley.

In April, we’re taking part in the next 48 hour Puppet Film Project from the LA Guild of Puppetry. Later in the summer, we’ll also be helping Puppet Place run the second ever Bristol 48 hour Puppet Film Challenge, for which we have just organised one of the judges, so stay tuned for that announcement.

We have also been having a great time collecting a folder of all the story ideas we would like to do. Some are epic, spooky fantasy, such as ‘BELTANE’ (WT), written by Matt Gibbs, that we are seeking funding for, while others are surreal comedies like our as yet unnamed boob film, which will focus on the comedy and double standards of breasts. We hope to be filming that one late spring, early this summer. We have a lot to keep us busy and we are excited to rise to the challenge!

Discover more details about the Beverley Puppet Festival’s ‘Sanctuary’ project and The House of Funny Noises involvement, and – if you’re a resident of Beverley – learn about how you can submit your stories and ideas.

The House of Funny Noises was founded by Izzy Bristow, Helena Houghton, and Cat Rock.


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The House of Funny Noises. Filming Slingjaw Wrasse (2020).

Walk to the heart of Amal! Interview with Rachel Leonard

Part 1 – The Journey Begins

Josh Elwell talked to Puppeteer Rachel Leonard ahead of this extraordinary and epic journey across Europe at such a pivotal time.

I caught up with Rachel Leonard on board her 125 year old narrow boat (which you can find listed in the National Historic Ships Register) on the edge of Bath. We spoke just as she was about to go into a week of R&D for a new project, with the team behind Little Angel’s The Journey Home.

Rachel Leonard.

Rachel has been performing with puppets for nearly 30 years, having learnt her trade at Little Angel and The Puppet Theatre Barge. She works with many exciting companies, from Handspring and Little Angel to the National Theatre, the RSC, and Kneehigh. However, like so many other performers she has felt the effects of the last year with all its huge challenges.

We began by talking about ‘resilience’ and ways that freelance puppeteers have managed to negotiate these crazy times. One of Rachel’s survival techniques is ‘living small’. She lives on her boat and keeps her outgoings to a minimum. She believes this lifestyle affords her a huge amount of independence. Living this way enables her to be a little more selective than most, and to be able to engage with projects that have real meaning for her. It is one such project that drew me to want to talk to Rachel in the first place.

Amal – ‘The Walk’ 2020.

Some of you may have caught sight on social media of an extraordinary giant puppet girl called, Amal. Amal is the focal point for a project called The Walk, the epic journey of a 9 year old refugee girl travelling 8,000km across Europe to find her mother. 

Amal – ‘The Walk’ 2020.

Little Amal will start her journey at the Syria/Turkey boarder in July this year and make her way through Greece, Italy, Switzerland, Germany, Belgium, and France, before reaching the United Kingdom in November. Amal has a hugely important purpose – to shine light on the struggles of the many refugee children she represents.

Route of ‘The Walk’ in 2021.

Along the way cities, towns, and villages will welcome Little Amal with art – from major street parades and city-wide performances of music, dance, and theatre, to intimate community events. Little Amal will connect with young people from refugee and non-refugee communities through creative learning projects, developed specifically for each location. 

Amal – ‘The Walk’ 2020.

The Walk is being produced by Good Chance Theatre, famous for their work in The Jungle in Calais. Good Chance have joined forces with Handspring Puppet Company to design and build Amal, and Rachel is one of the puppeteers who will be animating Amal in this hugely exciting and important project.

Rachel was fizzing with excitement about Amal and said that she feels it is perhaps  one of the most important projects that she has ever been a part of. Involved in the development of the The Walk from early on in Amal’s creation, Rachel will be one of the international team of puppeteers operating her from inside and out.

The team will rotate; taking turns working her arms and supporting her back (with rods, from the ground) and working from within the puppet, at Amal’s ‘heart’. The heart position is the most complex; requiring the wearing of stilts to create her legs, and a backpack harness to take the weight of the puppet. The operator in this position is controlling her head and facial expression from a ‘harp-like’ construction of pulleys in her tummy. Mechanisms have been kept low-fi to be as robust and repairable as possible along the route.

There is however just one electronic feature; her eyeballs, which are powered by a small battery pack and operated by a mini-thumb control. As it is not possible to see her face from within the puppet, attitudes and facial expressions must be learnt by muscle memory and through prompts given by other members of the team who can feedback instructions. Due to the tricky nature of this role and the heat that builds up with the exertion of it, the puppeteers will only do short stints inside the puppet. Rachel hopes that, with practice, they will get the changeovers, “Slick, like a pit stop!”

Amal – ‘The Walk’ 2020.

Rachel says, “She is magnificent as she walks through the landscape. You cannot help but feel for her. Despite her being 3.5 metres tall, children call to her, look after and care for her. She is both charming, mesmerising, and moving.”

Amal will walk into many different events on her 3 month journey. Each event will form important stages of her emotional development. Each meeting, gathering, sharing, celebration or carnival will serve as an important part of her overall journey and story. In her wake she will leave a legacy of sponsorship and scholarships for educational opportunities. Each event and stopping point in Amal’s journey will provide a catalyst for change and an opportunity to understand the plight of children just like her.

Amal – ‘The Walk’ 2020.

The project has been set back due to Covid and of course everyone is desperately hoping that this won’t happen again. However, Rachel remains hugely positive. She has agreed to talk to us again during The Walk, and then again once she has reached Manchester in November. In the meantime, Rachel’s bags are packed and the 8,000km road between Turkey and the UK awaits her and Amal’s footsteps.

‘May the road rise up to meet you and may the wind
be always at your back!’ – Traditional Irish Blessing

Good Chance needs your support to help make The Walk happen. The Walk‘s Step Up appeal is raising funds to support Little Amal‘s journey, the artistic and education programmes of The Walk, and the crucial work being done to raise awareness of the refugee crisis and advocate for young refugees to have access to an education.

Every young refugee deserves a Good Chance of fulfilling their potential.

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Interviewed by Josh Elwell